The Truth About What We Eat: Cherie Calbom on Seed Oils, Healing & Real Food Wisdom

Hey, one more thing before you go.

There's a moment when your body stops whispering and it starts warning, when the fatigue isn't just a long week, the inflammation isn't getting older, and the brain fog isn't too much on your plate.

And then you learn something that shakes you, something that makes you look at your pantry, makes you look at your grocery store, your childhood favorites.

And you realize you were told a story that wasn't the whole truth.

Today's guest lived that moment.

She nearly died from it.

And she rebuilt her life and her health from the inside out.

We have that in common.

And here's the part that might surprise you.

Some of the foods we trust the most were never designed with our health in mind.

Some of the heart healthy labels we grew up with, believe me, were built on marketing, not biology.

Some of the guidelines we followed for decades are now being quietly rewritten.

Today's conversation is a part story, part science, and part cultural awakening.

So stay tuned.

I'm your host, Michael Hurst.

Welcome to One More thing before you go.

My guest today is Sherry Calbaum.

She's known as the juice Lady.

She spent decades helping people regain their health.

But before she became a wellness icon, she was a woman whose life fell apart physically, emotionally, spiritually.

And when she had to rebuild, it was built by piece, by piece.

And here she is here to help us.

What's really happening to our food, our bodies, and the systems that we've trusted for far too long.

So welcome to the show, Sheri.

Thank you, Michael.

It's great to be on your show.

As I told you, I love the title of your show and I love helping people find just what that path is for them to find.

Better health, better life, better, better purpose, better meaning.

And, you know, one more thing before you go.

I always think I want to finish my purpose before I go.

That's the one more thing, too, besides what I say to people.

I want to complete that reason I'm here on this earth and a lot of people are feeling like I can't complete that.

I know.

I just feel horrible or, you know, things are quite right.

I don't have the energy.

So we're here to help you, both of us, today.

We're here to help you find that path.

Absolutely.

I think we're going to have a great conversation.

You've been in this for a really long time.

You have helped thousands of people with regard to a multitude of different health issues.

And, well, as we spoke about before we started, wholeheartedly believe in what you've.

I'VE talked about on the show before, so.

But not from your perspective.

And that's what's unique because we're coming at it from your perspective and you're a pro.

But before we talk about the food system, the lies that we were told, the healing, I'd like to start with you, like the beginning.

Where'd you grow up?

What was your family like?

Yeah, begin at the beginning.

I grew up in the Midwest, in Iowa, and my mother died of breast cancer when I was six years old.

So there was a lot of loss and trauma in my life as a child.

When I got to my 20s, I was really sick.

I had chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia.

And it was so bad I had to quit work, move back home with my father and stepmother and sleep.

I always tell people, sleep 12 hours a day and wake up tired and feel like I had the flu all the time and ache all over.

What a horrible, horrible life.

And I thought, I'm young and my whole life is ahead of me.

And there are all these things I want to do, including writing books.

I've got to get well and find a way to do that.

And doctors didn't know how to help me.

They had no answer for what I was going through.

So then I decided, okay, I'm going to go to some health food stores and talk to people there.

And I learned I was doing everything all wrong.

I love junk food, fast food.

I hated vegetables.

I was a sugar aholic.

And I had emotional stuff going on from the loss of my mother.

So young in my life.

No wonder I was not feeling well.

So I heard about juicing and I bought my first juicer, went on a five day vegetable juice fast.

And on day number five, my body expelled a tumor about this size, about the size of a golf ball.

It had blue blood vessels attached that look like somebody cut them with scissors.

I call them God scissors or nature scissors.

And I thought, wow, I was following my mother's footsteps.

And I was.

And I got rid of that thing.

And I thought, tomorrow I'm going to wake up.

Well, and by the way, people ask me all the time, what were those blue blood vessels?

We know now what it is.

Angiogenesis.

It's the growth of blood vessels to tumors to feed them so they'll grow.

And.

And then we know about the nature scissors I call them, or the ones God made.

Angiogenesis and ludiolan are two of them.

And they attack that angiogenesis cut off that blood supply.

And I saw it with my own two Eyes.

I was my own experiment before.

I like that.

You were your own experiment.

I think we all need to take that at some point in our lives.

We need to be our own experience, experiment and see what works.

That is exactly right.

And that's what I teach people all over the country.

Do these good things, see what happens, and your body's really going to talk to you when it starts getting healthier and cleaned out.

It'll scream at you if you do stuff it doesn't like.

So this is a real answer to our journey, each of us into greater and better health.

But anyway, I thought, tomorrow morning I'm going to wake up.

Well, you know, I got rid of this thing.

That's kind of the Western way of thinking about medical issues.

You do this, you do this, you get rid of this, you go on with your life.

So I thought, well, I'll just be well tomorrow.

But I wasn't.

I was on a journey.

And that journey was one of cleansing, detoxing, and healing.

And I had a couple of days, I call them, two steps forward a day, a step back, feel better, feel not so good.

But one morning I woke up three months later and it was like, oh, somebody gave me a new body last night.

I felt like a brand new person.

And it wasn't just that, wow, I just suddenly healed on that one day.

I've been healing all along.

It was just that, that was the moment that I realized it.

You know, it's interesting because those of us that have lived with chronic pain, in, in deep chronic pain, not just a little owie, a little scratch or a little bump on the, on the knee kind of a thing, you know, when you, when you feel that relief, when you feel that weight lifted off of you, it is an amazing, unexplainable feeling.

Because when it's gone, then you realize how much you really hurt.

Yes.

Isn't that for sure?

And you realize too, what a gift good health is.

Without good health, we have nothing.

And I say that to people all the time.

It is a priceless gift.

Excuse me.

I've had a little dry tickle in my throat, so.

But so many people say to me, wow, you know, I was doing so well, and then I ate this thing or drank this thing, and now I don't feel so well.

And one of the ladies that I worked with said to me, you know, I arrived at a new conclusion.

Nothing on earth tastes as good as good health.

That's a good point.

That's profound, actually.

Yeah.

I say it again, those of us that Experience it from that level.

It's like a miracle, actually.

And I find it interesting.

What drew you to the world of nutrition and healing in the first place?

I'm sorry that you lost your mother at an early age.

I lost my father at an early age.

Not as young as you, but I was 15.

And that's an impact on us, you know, from that perspective.

So I'm happy that you took a route that you finally came back around to the world of nutrition and healing.

Oh, this route not only changed my life, it's helped millions of people because I've written 36 books, they've gone around the world and millions of people have read them.

So many, many people have contacted me and said, wow, your book changed my life.

And that's what I want to hear.

We can change.

Absolutely.

Can I reflect back on something just because it took me a little while to even learn this myself and to understand the power of juicing and so forth?

How did you, how did juicing enter your life from that perspective?

How did you get so like, involved and integrated in.

And what was it, you know, was it like a discovery, necessity?

You know, I know that you said you went and did some, you went and talked to some people, but when, at what point did it just kind of click to you that this is like a magic potion?

Well, during that, that journey to, to getting well, that's when it just dawned on me.

This is live food.

It's getting right into my cells.

It's making in how I feel.

It is powerful and I want to tell the world about it.

So I wrote Juicing for Life.

But the reason that it works so well, it's so broken down that the body can absorb it.

It's like a pre digested food.

So you've got this live food, this liquid coming right into your body, right into your cells, and making a huge difference in how you feel.

I always say happy cells are happy people and you are going to end up with happy cells.

So it's amazing when you give your body the right tools so that it can make a difference.

And then I went to work with the Juiceman company and they were doing seminars all across the nation and they made me their juice lady and the name stuck.

But I met thousands of people whose lives have changed because of juicing.

I think that, you know, it's any kind of a holistic approach.

There are people that think the holistic approach or a naturopathic approach is a little hokey and that they really don't understand or believe that something like juicing, which obviously, as I mentioned earlier, I'm a big fan every day, all the time, it healed me.

But there are those individuals that kind of think or want to maybe understand why juicing is so.

So you touched on it a little bit about it going directly into your body.

But can we talk a little bit more in depth about how something as simple as juicing vegetables and juicing fruits and vegetables get into our system a little, a little deeper, a little quicker and a little more effectively than just taking a pill?

Oh yes, and even than just eating food.

And that's because it's broken down.

So the insoluble fiber is removed.

That concerns people like, oh wow, there's no fiber in here.

But the insoluble fiber is removed.

And then that juice can get right into the cells.

And it is so rich with vitamins and minerals, phytonutrients, biophotons, enzymes.

Those are our building blocks of health and healing.

And so when they're getting right into the cells, we are healing, we are renewing and our bodies are responding.

And there's nothing that I know of like fresh juice that is going to get right into your cells and start that work.

And also because they're so rich in antioxidants, they bind to toxins and carry them out of the body so that they don't damage your cel.

So we detox gently with our fresh juices as well.

And we can tailor our juices.

We can use things like ginger, which is an anti inflammatory, and all the greens which are rich in minerals and carrots rich in beta carotene.

It just goes on and on.

But maybe some things we weren't getting in our diet before, but we're juicing them and it's getting right in at the cellular level.

When I bring this up, I think you'll understand the perspective I'm taking in regard to this because I ran into it myself and I've talked to people about juicing and about you should juice.

This is what's going to help you.

And I know that for the longest time they have some individuals that talk about juicing to lose weight, inducing to just lose weight, not necessarily pushing the health benefits of it, but just pushing it as something to lose weight or to get more healthy from that perspective.

But it goes beyond that, doesn't it?

Oh, much more beyond that, yes.

Lots of people do lose weight.

They lose a lot of other stuff too.

Like one of the comments I hear often from people, my pain is getting less and less.

Pain is Going, sleep.

I'm sleeping better.

Another big loss.

Brain fog.

So many people say to me, wow, my brain fog just laughed.

It goes even into different conditions, different diseases.

People will say, I never thought that I could manage my diabetes and get off of the medication.

But through diet, through juicing, lots of greens, not fruit, lots of greens, and changing my diet, they'll say, controlling my blood sugar, I don't need that medication anymore.

How exciting is that?

I've had many people say they're controlling their blood pressure.

They got rid of that high blood pressure by changing their diet and by juicing and choosing particular vegetables that really help with all of that.

So I could go on and on and on.

But I've heard from millions of people who say, got rid of this, got rid of that, felt better, slept better, had more energy.

It's just amazing what you can do for your body when you give it the right tools.

That's pretty cool.

That's awesome, actually.

But I have to ask you this only because I'm a fan.

I'm a fan.

I'm a fan.

How did you become George Foreman's nutritionist?

Well, that's a great story.

So I was with a juiceman company.

They sold to salton housewares in 93, and I just got kind of passed along with the deal.

And then in 95, they brought on George Foreman with the George Foreman Grill and called it the Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine.

And you have one?

I had one.

Most.

Most people in the US and in the west really have a George Foreman Grill.

But I was at the product show in Las Vegas when George was his big fight, turning 50, and he was fighting in Las Vegas.

And I was at the product show with the juicer, and George was also rolling out the grill.

And I met George and kind of sized up the whole situation because I knew that, you know, being as popular as he was, he wasn't going to appear on QVC all the time for all the many shows or all the shows at Macy's, for example.

So I said, how about if I work with you as your nutritionist and become the other spokesperson for your grill?

And George and the CEO liked it.

And there we were.

I wrote a book with him, George Foreman's Knock out the Fat Barbecue and Grilling Cookbook.

And I appeared with the grill on QVC for over 13 years, grilling on air, knocking out that fat and working with George periodically.

Yeah, that's brilliant.

Actually.

That's pretty cool.

That's pretty cool.

Wonderful, man.

Last thing I saw him and actually my wife and I enjoyed it was him and Henry Winkler.

And I always forget Terry, shame on me.

Football player Terry.

I have to think about that.

Bradshaw.

Terry Bradshaw, yes.

Henry Winker, Terry Bradshaw and George Foreman.

They traveled the world and tried different things.

It was a really cool little series.

They did a couple of seasons with it.

It was really slick.

Can we.

Let's evolve into.

If you don't mind, I want to step into the part of your life when I was reading your book that you had sent to me in regard to oils, about seeds and seed oils and things like that.

And I found, you know, one thing in there that kind of hit me was, and I agree with, and I'll tell you why in a second I agree with is that we as society, especially in America, for decades we were told certain oils were heart healthy, the fat was the enemy, and that the processed eat oils were somehow better than the natural fats that humans have, you know, eaten for like thousands and thousands of years.

Can we jump into, can we jump into that?

About.

About.

I won't say the I.

The story of seed oils.

Let's talk about seed oils and how detrimental they are to our health.

Oh my.

For decades we have been fed a lie that seed oils are heart healthy and promote the best of health all the way around.

And the opposite is true.

So what happened?

Well, it was the 1950s and we had just come through World War II.

The tropical oils, mainly coconut oil that Americans had used for a long time and were advertised as the healthiest oil on earth.

And that's true, they're one of the healthiest.

Couldn't make it through the waters.

The ships couldn't get through with the cargo.

So the seed oils had been a very small industry before World War II.

And suddenly they saw an opportunity.

Let's jump in here with some really great marketing and let's grab the market share.

And their income went way up and they weren't about to lose it when the war ended.

How did seed oils even start?

Way back at the turn, before the last century, they had a lot of waste.

Cotton seeds were piling up everywhere.

They were smelly and rotting and nobody knew what to do with them.

So it was a waste management issue.

They said, let's make them into oil.

That oil was dark and smelly and they used it on machinery.

And during World War II, they used it on aircraft and ships.

So now when we can't get coconut oil, the industry said, let's refine this oil even more and make it clear odorless pretty.

It can sit on a shelf forever.

You don't have to refrigerate it.

And we're going to roll it out to the American people as heart healthy.

And we're going to call it vegetable oil.

Who doesn't want more vegetables, right?

There are no vegetables in this soil.

They're seeds.

And so to do that they had to get very high temperatures, 500 degrees or above.

They had to use really toxic chemicals like hexane, which is a neurotoxin de gumming agents, other chemicals, carcinogens, and through at least a five step process, these oils went through, I call it the battering machine.

But they came out clear and pretty and golden and were rolled out as modern and heart healthy.

Well, why did the American people buy into that?

Because toward the end of World War II, when we had been using seed oils for a while, heart disease increased.

So the bar graph, if you look at it, it's really small.

Before the war for heart disease and after, you see it rise and rise and rise.

So now we've got a new problem on the scene.

We've got people dying of heart attacks in droves.

And the American people are scared and they want answers and they're saying what is going on?

And so the researchers got to work and they did their autopsies and they found in the arteries plaque.

We know it, mountains of plaque.

We've heard about it for probably most of us all our lifetime.

It's made up of fat and cholesterol, calcium, probably other things, and little mounds that collect in the arteries.

Why are they collecting in the arteries?

I haven't read any reports on people asking why did they collect in the first place back then.

Now they have, now cardiologists have defined why they collected.

It was irritated arteries.

One cardiologist wrote about that, saying he's looked at hundreds if not thousands of arteries and it looks like somebody's taken a stiff bristle brush.

Like you would maybe brush your skin until it's irritated and bleeding and brush the arteries.

That's how irritated they look.

And he said, of course you're going to have plaque form there like you would have a scab form on your skin if you had a wound there.

And nobody was asking what caused the wounding.

They just looked at what's in the plaque.

Well, there's cholesterol and fat.

So then they said, what we need is a no fat or low fat diet.

No cholesterol.

Well, that was not the answer.

Our body is going to make cholesterol no matter what.

But that was their answer to the American people.

So they said, you've got to stop eating animal fats.

No more butter, no more cheese, no more eggs, no more red meat.

Right.

No more beef tallow or lard.

Oh, my goodness, those are horrible.

Those are going to cause heart attacks.

So they scared the people and, and they help the people.

That's a good psychological tactic for any.

Introducing any new product.

Help them and hurt them.

Call it.

So they scared them and then they helped them.

We've got this new modern heart healthy oil, and we want you to use that in the kitchen.

All across America, cooks started.

American cooks started changing their oil at the same time.

Cookbooks rolled out because they hired people to write them.

Here's how you use this new modern vegetable oil.

And the whole lipid hypothesis, as they call it, was born.

And it was born on a falsehood and economic growth rather than on truth.

And there was nothing healthy about it right from the get go.

Yeah.

In your book, you lay out that it wasn't, it wasn't a misunderstanding.

It was a campaign coordinated shifting public messaging and changed the way that, you know, we as an entire nation ate.

You know, and I think that, that I understand it from a certain perspective because.

Well, forgive me, mom, just in case, you know, my mother grew up with southern cooking.

My grandmother was from West Virginia.

My grandfather in that family was from Mississippi.

So there's a lot of Southern cooking and a lot of deep fat frying.

I'm talking about piles and piles.

She would make pork chops cooked in lard and then again, forgive me, mom, for telling your secrets, cooked in lard.

And then she would make a gravy and then put the gravy in and then butter on top of that and, and put it on your mashed potatoes kind of a situation.

When I was 11 years old, I met my.

We have Italian in the family, but my sister met a guy from Rome and she married a guy from Rome and he brought all his friends over and family over.

And I started looking and learning how to eat Mediterranean way.

And they would come to the house, to my mom's house, and they really didn't want to eat the food the way my mother was cooking it.

And they, they really had a problem, I won't say like a major problem with that.

They weren't rude, but I learned the value of what you put into your body, how it's put into your body, and the differences in oils and the appreciation of olive oil in lieu of something like cotton, cotton seed oil or what's the, really?

The grapeseed oil?

Yes.

Canola.

Canola oil.

Don't touch it.

I, I don't, I, I just won't even come anywhere near it.

Yeah.

Fascinating how, how you see the American people and how America has evolved into what you just said.

We're going to create the problem and then we're going to solve the problem for you and give you the answers.

Here you go.

But it's detrimental to people's health.

Yes, it has been detrimental for decades.

And have we improved heart disease?

No, it's still the number one killer.

It's still at the top of the list for all our low fat, no fat diets.

It's gotten no better, maybe a little worse, I don't know.

They say there's some improvement, but it's still the number one killer.

So what happened?

We lost our common sense.

And I talk about that in the book too.

I talk about research, I talk about a lot of proof that these seed oils do contribute to a host of diseases.

In chapter two, we have not only heart disease and cancer and diabetes, but metabolic disorders, depression, anxiety, aggression, even homicide.

They've been linked to.

It's amazing all of the problems and for women, a lot of female problems, hormone disruptors, these oils are.

But nobody said, hey, wait a minute, we've been eating like this for centuries.

People have eaten butter and eggs and cheese and red meat and they've had tallow and lard.

And we didn't have this big problem before.

So why did these foods suddenly start creating these big problems?

Well, they didn't, but we were told that they did.

And the American people believed them, in part because they were scared.

They were seeing people they knew just drop over from a heart attack.

And that was a new thing.

They hadn't seen that before on that scale, that it was rare, more rare.

And then it was growing, growing, growing.

And people wanted to know why.

And so they were scared.

So at the same time, we had lobbyists, we had lots of money going into marketing for very slick ads with great little tunes and jingles.

And we had a lot of people working on Washington D.C. and government and food pyramids.

And then one of the companies gave a big donation to the American Heart association and wow, did that change things.

They grew from a small organization that wasn't nationwide to a very large organization.

And they promoted seed oils as being the only heart healthy choice.

So we had everybody coming at us and doctors were told, this is what you have to tell your patients.

And scientists were told, if you have a different point of view.

We won't fund your research.

Your papers won't get published.

You won't be invited to these prestigious conferences where you might otherwise have a chance to speak that went on for decades.

Yeah, not cool.

No.

People with dissenting points of view were drowned out and pushed to the side.

Which is like, when you think back on it, it is just a culture of suppression in that regard.

You know, it's.

If it's personal to me too, from.

We spoke about this before.

My audience knows it's personal to me because I was told by.

By five doctors I would never walk again, to be quiet and take the nine drugs that they had.

They had prescribed to me that were killing me, basically.

And I tried to start implementing fruits and vegetables and changing my diet and what I ate and.

And so forth.

And I was told by those doctors that there's no scientific evidence to back that up.

And when in fact there was evidence to back it up, I located that evidence to back it up and then I implemented it.

When I implemented it, I was able to walk, as we said earlier, I had to go through some operations because I did have damage that needed to be fixed.

But I did walk my daughter down the aisle and I walked two to five miles every day.

And when I was told by five doctors I wouldn't, but when I brought up the diet and I brought up even when I lost weight, they said, well, that's because of your diet, not because of the medicine that I'm giving you.

Which turned out that I was severely allergic to, and it was.

Caused me to have like a.

What do they call it?

A wasting disease.

Similar to wasting disease.

Rheumatoid cachexia is what they called it because of the medications and things that I was on, not the food that I was eating kind of thing or the juicing or anything else that I was doing.

It's frustrating.

That's a whole nother conversation.

I could go down that rabbit hole, but.

But we won't.

You have in your book, you talk about the Hateful Eight, the Hateful Eight oils that have quietly infiltrated almost every packaged food and restaurant and meals in America.

Can you walk us through what these oils are doing to our bodies?

The inflammation, the oxidation, metabolic interruption.

You talked a little bit about it a second ago and why they're hard to avoid.

They're everywhere.

They are so hard to avoid because restaurants use them.

They're in almost all packaged foods.

Chips, crackers, baked goods and salad dressings, mayonnaise and prepackaged foods of all sorts.

Frozen Dinners.

On and on and on and on it goes.

But what are the hateful eight?

I call them plus two.

So we've got, we talked about it already.

Rapeseed, which is canola oil, soy, corn, safflower, sunflower.

I think I just said soy, cottonseed oil, rice bran oil and peanut oil.

Those are the seed oils.

They aren't the vegetable, they aren't vegetable oils.

They're seed oils.

They're made from the seeds.

And why are they so detrimental?

There are several reasons.

First off, if you look at biochemistry or chemistry, you'll see chains of carbons and hydrogens lined up that make up the structure of these oils.

Well, these are polyunsaturated oils, meaning that not every carbon and hydrogen is linked together.

There are some double bonds that have no carbon or no hydrogen linked to them.

What does that mean?

You don't even need to remember that.

But it means that those are vulnerable points that can be broken in that chain of carbons and hydrogens, meaning that it makes them toxic byproducts.

It means they're unhealthy for you.

It means that they're creating, when they're breaking like that.

Aldehydes, lipid peroxides, all sorts of toxic products that damage your cells, wound your arteries.

Contribute now to the problem we have, which is huge in the US Inflammation.

It's at the root of every condition that people have.

And so it is so important to know what is causing this.

And many people aren't telling you.

There's another factor in there as well.

These oils, these polyunsaturated oils, are very rich in omega 6 fatty acids.

We do need them.

We need omega 6s like we need omega 3s, but we're getting too many omega 6s because these oils, as I said, are in everything.

So we've got a great imbalance.

We should have a ratio of about 1 to 1 to 4 to 1, omega 6 to omega 3.

Instead we've got about a 15 to maybe 20 some percent to 1.

That is a huge imbalance.

If you saw teeter totter.

So Omega 6 would be way at the bottom, weighting everything down and Omega 3 would be very small amount.

And we should have a nice balance, a nice ratio in our diet.

And so that is contributing to inflammation as well.

And so we've got these high inflammatory causing oils in almost everything we would choose to eat.

And we don't have hardly any omega 3s in our diet.

And where do we get those from things like walnuts, walnut oil, walnut milk, Hemp seeds, hemp oil, flaxseeds, flax oil, cold, fatty, cold water, fatty fish like salmon.

Not too many people eat much of those foods.

And of course we get a little bit from other aspects of our diets, maybe some grains, but we are not getting very much in our diet.

And so we've got a huge imbalance and a great problem in our country with inflammation.

Yeah, I, I would agree with that.

I think that it, it is same thing with the heart disease and, and, and obesity.

And I mean it, it's all up there, especially in the United States.

And it's unfortunate from that way because if you go outside the world and tell me, correct me if I'm, if I'm wrong, but the, the number, the heart disease for example is more prevalent in, around the United States than it is in other places of the world.

Correct?

That is true.

That is very true.

And when they do population studies in various parts of the world, you mentioned one of the diets that comes up heart healthy all the time, which is the Mediterranean diet, they rely heavily on olive oil, which is one of your good oils.

And I should name those right now.

The good ones are your fruit and nut oils.

So olive is a fruit oil.

Avocado oil is a fruit oil.

Coconut also is a fruit, although people think it's a nut oil.

And macadamia and almond are nut oils.

Those are your good oils.

And then sesame is another one of the good oils.

And then ghee oil of butter.

So those are the oil oils that I recommend and everyone who's researching this is recommending these are the good oils.

These are the ones that are cold pressed, they aren't processed with the high heats.

Maybe they're expeller pressed with just a little bit of heat.

But they're the good oils and those are the ones you want to cook with.

And you know, we've demonized butter for decades, but butter isn't horrible.

You can have a little bit of butter.

I say go for the grass fed butter, the, the pure butter when you're going to have it.

And you know, red meat's kind of making its way back.

And eggs certainly since the 80s have made whole egg with the yolk has made its way back.

People were getting an egg white injury.

They were calling it eating too many egg whites and not yolks.

And the whites had a substance that were binding the biotin and it was causing problems.

So all of these, you know, yeah, all of these teachings that Americans have been giving for decades.

So many of them have been Way off base and have created more problems.

They didn't fix anything.

They created more problems.

So it's back to nature's real foods, real oils that we want to incorporate in our kitchen.

And then what do we do when we shop?

Oh, my goodness.

That is a challenge.

I say buy a little magnifying glass that you can carry with you and look at those labels.

Start reading labels.

It's one of the best things you can do because you'll see on those labels so often vegetable oil or the particular seed oil, canola or soy or sunflower will be listed there.

Sometimes they will be using Crisco, which everybody kind of now says, oh, yikes, we know that that's rich in trans fats.

But they'll list the oil it was made from.

They won't list Crisco on there, on that packaged food.

So it might say soy oil or canola oil or whatever.

So we've got to just start rejecting foods with these oils.

I. I agree with that.

I mean, it's what helps me to control my inflammation.

Actually, I have to read labels.

I like.

We went.

We learned reading labels years and years ago on, and it has been a major benefit to us.

There are so many things that we stop sometimes I forget my glasses, so we have to use the phone to look at them.

But it works, you know, but yeah, it's amazing when you read labels and you find out what they put into them and what's hidden in the fine.

They're making it tinier, too, so you can't read it all the time.

That's why you almost now have to take a picture and blow it up.

Because I've got a little magnifying glass with a light on it.

But when they make it teeny tiny and then they put white on light yellow, for example, which is a big thing they're doing right now.

It is so hard, hard, hard to read.

That's too bad that they're doing that right now.

The industry has figured out that we're reading labels and trying to make it harder for us.

That's not good.

You talk about 12 red flags.

They're scientific.

Scientific and biological markers that show just how deep this goes.

Can we talk a little bit about the 12 red flags?

I know that they're in your book, and we don't need to cover all of them if you don't want to, but kind of give us an idea of what the 12 red flags might be.

Oh, and I'm forgetting that section.

Are they the flags about the oils?

What To.

Yeah.

And about kind of what to keep an eye out for what does what and.

Oh, okay.

Of what these oils can do to harm your body is what you're after.

So we should look at the studies as they are linked.

And I said this before, with heart disease.

What does it do to your body with heart disease?

Wounding the arteries, for example.

How about with cancer, creating a lot of inflammation, causing cancer cells to proliferate.

Diabetes, it can contribute to that by contributing to insulin resistance.

That can be a precursor to diabetes, metabolic disorders, again, with insulin resistance and blood sugar imbalances, it can contribute to that as well.

And when it comes to emotional issues like anxiety and depression, even aggression, what is happening in your brain?

It's oxidative stress.

And your brain is largely made up of fat.

It has cholesterol there and water.

And when you have these inferior oils, toxic oils, they're going to get in your brain and it is going to create oxidative stress that can link directly to depression and anxiety, for example, and aggression even.

So, as you begin to change your diet and change these oils, you may notice some emotional issues that are correcting, that are healing.

I worked with young.

One young woman who had migraine headaches for many years.

She got rid of the seed oils as much as she could from her diet.

She hasn't had another migraine headache since.

So, you know, we have to look at what in the world are these oils doing to our body.

They're harming it at the cellular level and creating so many different problems all throughout our body.

Wholeheartedly agree with that.

And to be clear for everyone, we're not talking politics or anything.

We're talking public health, and we're talking about the foods that we feed our kids.

We feed ourselves, we feed our kids, we feed our parents, we feed our friends.

You know, it is, I think, an epidemic with regard to the misconceptions that are being presented to us with regard to what exactly is healthy and what is not healthy for us.

I'm a proponent of, like you said earlier, reading labels.

I'm a proponent of whole food.

I'm a proponent of even starting your own gardens with regard to what you put into your juices and what you put into your meals kind of a situation.

I'm very.

I strongly, strongly, strongly.

I don't really believe in all of those.

I practice it myself, and I typically try to make sure that other people do the same thing.

I believe in organic food and not GMO food.

Yeah, I'm a little outspoken on some of those things, but because of how it's been able to help me heal, how it's been able to help.

They have me on nine different drugs.

Badrin, Prednisone, and they did Remicade, which is in the biologics.

Humira, Humira about killed me.

Remicade about killed me.

Enbrel did the same thing.

They had to use drugs to get those drugs out of my system.

And now what I use for my drugs, quote, unquote, is juicing and food.

And I juice green juices every morning and in the evening and sometimes in the afternoon as well.

I'm feeling good, and I wholeheartedly practice what I'm preaching.

And what you're preaching, it works.

And it works from an individual who's got an autoimmune, a documented autoimmune disease, a documented chronic pain.

From that perspective, I just love hearing your story.

And it brought you back to life.

It did.

And just think if you hadn't done what you did.

You've had this podcast for six years.

You said you've been helping people.

How many people have tuned in and found an answer for them that you'll never know about?

Because most people don't tell us, right?

They get better and they go on their way and they're happy and we don't hear from them.

The few that we hear from, I think, represent a big group that didn't tell us.

I run into people at conferences where I've spoken or other events, and they'll say, oh, I've been meaning to tell you for years, you changed my life.

I read your book.

I tried this, I did that.

And I'm here today to tell you my whole life changed.

I've had people tell me they were given up for dead, just like you were.

Just no hope.

There was no hope.

And saying, here I am, I lived, I defied all odds, but I followed what you said and I got well.

So I'm thinking, thank God, Michael, you did what you did, and you're here with a platform to help others find their way.

And this is God's work in the world that we're doing.

We're presenting truth and helping people prevent disease or heal from it.

We're getting the truth out there, and there aren't a lot of voices right now with the truth.

We're like a few voices crying out in the wilderness, so to speak.

But we're saying this is hope that you can find a path to.

To better health and better life.

Oh, absolutely.

And it's not just about getting healthier it's about transforming yourself too, because it transforms everything about you.

When you start understanding it from a perspective that, you know that the cliche body heal thyself, you're giving it the tools to be able to do that.

In regard to this now, I juice and I think I'm doing a pretty good job of it.

But you take this to a whole new level way up here.

In fact, when I was doing some research on you and kind of had a bit more of an understanding of what you bring to the world, there are so many things that I'm going to go back and kind of, you know, kind of pick out of there and to help me with my journey as well, because it's going to improve me even more, I believe.

And I think juicing, healing, therapeutic juicing, you know, it's your foundation.

It's my foundation.

I juice every day and then I make a green smoothie with some juice that I pour in the blender and add an avocado.

So my whole morning pretty much is juices and I start with an.

I call it an anti inflammatory immune building.

I call them wellness shots.

I juice up a big chunk of ginger like about 2 inches, and a big chunk of turmeric about the same size and a peeled lemon.

I'll tell you, that's powerful.

Your taste buds wake up, your body wakes up.

It's like, wow.

But it's rich in zinc and anti inflammatory compounds, antioxidants, anti inflammatory.

It is just an incredible way to start the day.

I also make a liver shake and I put in several cloves of garlic, the juice of one lemon and one lime, some olive oil and ice cubes and water.

You can add some orange juice if you want.

I keep my sugars low and blend that up.

I'll tell you, it's really delicious.

But it's a liver gallbladder cleanse.

Gentle one.

So you can do that many days of your life.

I do celery juice often, which is amazing.

Amazing.

I saw your episode on the celery juice.

That was really good.

Yeah, I mean it.

I put celery in my.

In my, my smoothies that I make.

I put turmeric, I put ginger in there, but not to this extent.

But you've opened my eyes.

When I was listening to your stuff, watching your videos on YouTube and, and kind of learning a little bit more.

And I hadn't really fathomed that doing more would be even more beneficial.

Oh, so beneficial.

So they've done studies on celery and prior to Doing a deep dive into celery.

I was taught that celery, this was a, a nutrition 101 class kind of class.

Celery doesn't have a whole lot in it for you.

You know, it's mainly water and natural, you know, sodium and it's great on appetizer trays.

You know, it's good to scoop up.

That dip or peanut butter.

Peanut butter, yeah.

As a kid, that's what my snack was, celery and peanut butter.

Mine too.

Well, when I started looking at celery, I found studies linking it to lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, lower blood sugar, and it can even be helpful for higher liver enzymes.

I worked with one lady that suffered from that and all those things were high in her test and she brought it all into range.

Acceptable range in 30 days.

So the mighty little celery.

And then it also is rich in apigen and luteolin, two phytonutrients that are cancer fighters.

They cut off those blood vessels growth called angiogenesis and it's concentrated in the leaf.

So save those leaves and juice them up and get all that cancer fighting phytonutrients that are in the leaves.

It's throughout the whole celery.

But it's concentrated in the celery leaves.

Yes.

I didn't know that.

I mean, in fact, I just learned something as just now because I usually cut the tops off, cut the bottoms off and then juice them.

I never juice them with all the leaves and so forth.

So now I'm going to just start sticking everything in there.

Oh yeah, juice it all.

And that's what I say about everything.

Like beef leaf and stems.

Those are richer in minerals than the beetroot and asparagus stems.

Really?

They don't have to be.

They don't have to be.

They don't have to be cooked or cleaned.

You just put them in.

Yeah, just wash them, wash them off, juice them up and you're going to get even more nutrients, especially from those beet leaves.

And what else do I juice the stems, I just started to say of asparagus and the basis of cauliflower, those leaves in that part that we normally chop off and throw away, broccoli stems that are hard, we normally cut those off and just steam the florets and throw away the base of the broccoli.

You can juice that and get all those wonderful nutrients.

And then radishes, the leaves are even more concentrated in the phytonutrients that fight cancer in the leaves than in the Radish itself.

So juice the entire bunch.

That's crazy cool.

Is that.

Is that when you talk about flooding the body with life?

Is that kind of what you mean?

Yes.

Live nutrients.

Live nutrients bring life and also biophotons.

So the vegetables absorb the sun, the photons from the sun, and then when we eat them raw, like in a juice form, we're bringing that life right into our bodies.

Photons feed the mitochondria of our cells.

Those are the little energy units that produce ATP.

ATP is our energy fuel.

So the more live food, I call it raw food that we have, the more fuel we get for our ATP production, our mitochondria.

That's crazy cool.

Live food.

Yes.

That was crazy cool.

That was pretty cool, actually.

You've written 36 books.

The latest one I've read.

We've been talking about it here.

In regard to specifically the line.

I want to talk about something in specific, about a line that I had made a note on.

Healing begins the moment you stop negotiating with.

With the habits that are hurting you, which I love that.

That line.

I think that that's a.

That's something I absolutely would embrace.

I love that.

And don't we all negotiate a lot of our lives with those habits?

I talk about this a lot.

How many bites can I get away with?

I mean, everybody wants to know that.

Can I have two bites of the birthday cake?

Because it's just so hard to pass it by, you know, I'm at the party.

How many bites of the ice cream can I have before paying a price?

We're always negotiating.

Can I have two chips?

Maybe three?

How about a small plate?

Yeah.

Aren't we always on that track?

But, you know, one day it dawned on me.

I can't negotiate with sweets anymore.

My body hates sugar so badly.

I'm going to that birthday party and just telling everybody I'm highly allergic to sugar, which I am, because it makes me feel bad.

And I call it an allergy.

And then people got it.

I'm there with you.

I don't eat.

I don't do sugar.

My wife will tell you.

My kids will tell you.

I really don't do sugar.

It is detrimental to my.

Every time I eat sugar, it actually causes my.

Me to have a flare because my.

My rheumatoid is not cured.

It's still here.

It still lies dormant, but I'm able to manage it with what I'm doing right now.

And if I introduce sugar to that, then it gets angry.

I get so angry.

Mine does, too.

My Body just gets really mad at me and it throws a tantrum.

Yep.

Don't like angry?

No, we don't like angry because it shows up like in a headache or you don't sleep well at night or ulcer pain or a flare.

Yes, a flare.

Many people are managing all sorts of conditions or if they aren't, they could be if they change their diet.

But you know, we have to come to a point where we say, all right, what do I want more?

Do I want this?

It's a small moment of pleasure eating these things that I know are going to make me feel bad.

You know, I'm not going to feel well after this.

So do I want a small little segment of time of pleasure and then feeling horrible or do I want to just deny myself here and have that good health, feel good all the time?

Not.

Not bad.

And I had to come to that place of I'd rather feel good.

I want to wake up feeling good.

I don't want to feel bad.

So I'm going to let go of this stuff and just consider it poison, which it is like seed oil is poison, sugar is poison.

Nobody gets away with it.

It's just that it shows up different for different ones of us.

And sometimes it shows up earlier in life, sometimes later in life, but it'll show up.

It's poison.

It'll show up.

It'll catch you.

It'll catch up.

You have books, you have programs, you have opportunity for us to heal.

How do we get in touch with you and how do we find you?

Well, I would love to connect with you.

So come to juiceladyinfo.com that's info.com, it's my website.

You can connect with me on Instagram.

I've always got reels going out at Juice Lady Sherry, C H E R I E and again on all social media channels.

We post every day.

So Twitter, Twitter and that's X and TikTok and LinkedIn and YouTube, you can find me.

But I would love to have you sign up for my newsletter and stay in touch and get free recipes and join one of my programs and jump in to your path for better health.

And I've, I've done that myself already.

I've already downloaded your.

You have a free book on there when you sign up for your newsletter.

It's an inflammatory, anti.

Inflammatory little recipe book which, yeah, it's brilliant.

I've already started looking at it and exploring it.

Can't wait to use it.

I'm so glad.

I'm so glad because they really are anti inflammatory juices.

And I'm sure you've got people listening to who've got inflammation going on in their bodies and saying, wow, I'd like to get rid of that.

So come get your free booklet, the seven anti inflammatory juices and get the truth about seed oils.

It is very eye opening.

And when you get those nasty little bad actors out of your diet, pretty much you're going to notice you don't have the inflammation you did before.

You're going to feel better and you can spread the word and get a magnifying glass or your phone and shop with it and read labels and avoid that nasty stuff.

Well, it's been fantastic.

We could talk for another hour or two because there's so much to really share.

But obviously we have to, we kind of have to, we have to go.

But it's been, yeah, this has been, it's been fascinating and I wholeheartedly believe in everything that you're doing and I'm happy that we've had this conversation.

I hope that we were able to give some people some thought, you know, some opportunity.

Thank you.

This is one more thing before we go.

Do you have any words of wisdom?

I have one thing I want to leave you with.

That one client said when she had something to drink that she knew she shouldn't have and she was managing her ms, her symptoms started coming back and she said, it dawned on me nothing on earth tastes as good as good health.

I leave you with that.

That's brilliant, brilliant words of wisdom.

Sherry, thank you very much again for sharing your journey and your wisdom and your experience with us.

I really sincerely appreciate it.

Thank you for taking a seat at the table with me.

I'll make sure that everything's in the show notes and the website so they can easily click it and follow you or get you in touch with you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Michael.

Sherry's story reminds us that our bodies are always speaking and sometimes they're begging, begging us to slow down, to listen, to question the stories we were told, to choose differently and maybe to believe that healing is still possible.

I know it.

You guys know my story.

I've done it.

And you've just heard Sherry.

She's done it because it is possible.

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