Healing through Conscious Media: Redefining Spirituality:

Hey, one more thing before you go.

What if your greatest breakdown became the doorway to your highest calling?

What if media wasn't just entertainment, but a portal to healing, awakening and transformation?

I think so.

And what happens when two skeptics turned seekers build a platform that not just another app, but a revolution of frequency?

Stay tuned.

We're going to answer these questions and so many more.

I'm your host, Michael Hurst.

Welcome to one more thing before you go.

Today I'm joined by the visionary duo behind the skeptic metaphysicians, podcast and new reality tv, Will Rodriguez and Karen Inslee.

Will is a former TV executive whose spiritual awakening and cancer diagnosis led him down a path of non traditional healing, metaphysical exploration and conscious creation.

Everything we talk about here, Karen's is the intuitive anchor of their work.

Blending discernment, heart and humor to guide seekers through the noise and the clarity.

Together they built a top ranked podcast and a streamlined platform.

Excuse me, a streaming platform that's redefining what it means to awaken, heal and evolve through media.

From energy activation to quantum healing channels, their work is sparking a movement that's bigger than content.

It's a revolution of consciousness.

And in this episode, we're going to explore how a spiritual awakening, a cancer diagnosis, transformed Will's life.

Why Karen's blend of intuition and discernment is the secret sauce behind their show's magic.

What makes new reality TV a safe haven for seekers, mystics and creators.

And how conscious media might just be the next frontier in global healing.

Welcome to the show, guys.

Thanks for having us.

We're excited to be here.

What a wonderful introduction.

I know, I like being the secret sauce.

It's a wonderful, wonderful introduction for two wonderful people.

See, it's just a match, right?

It fits.

If you say so.

Well, you know, personal transformation in the birth of like a spiritual path.

I understand that from a personal perspective.

We had a conversation before this show started and we have similar paths that we've walked to come to an awakening and to a better understanding of life healing, how to connect with the metaphysical side of the world, to understand there's more to life than and what we see and feel here and so forth.

So I'm excited about this conversation.

I think it's going to be brilliant.

Yeah, I don't know about brilliant, but now, now, now I'm like, oh, God, we're going to disappoint.

We will endeavor to do the best we can.

That's all we can do in life, that is just do the best we can.

Take the first step, that's all we need to do.

Well, you know, I believe in every revolution because of revelation.

And sometimes it starts with the diagnosis.

You know, I. I typically like to start the show is like where you guys grow up.

Kind of all over.

So I was born in Florida and I was one of the 10 natives that was still there until about 10 years ago.

My mother's from South America.

My dad, I can trace his heritage back to Ireland in the 1700s.

But mostly I grew up in Florida, moved around a lot, lived in South America for a little while, lived in South Carolina, and now we're in Virginia and Will.

So I was born a little island in the Caribbean called Puerto Rico.

My parents are Cuban.

They escaped Cuba when Castro took over and landed in Puerto Rico.

And out I came, but then very shortly thereafter moved to.

From Puerto Rico to the second richest county in the country, second only to Beverly Hills, little town in Richfield called Ridgefield, Connecticut, where talk about culture shock, coming from Cuban parents and living in Puerto Rico to that space.

From there, moved to New York for a while.

From New York, then I made my way back south to Miami and then Tampa and then Orlando, where I met the beautiful Karen.

Well, that's an amazing journey for both of you.

I mean, like such exotic places that you guys have come from.

I guess I don't think of.

You don't think about it that way when you're from there.

But I guess it does sound kind of cool.

You know, it's kind of like.

It's kind of like when you, you know.

I grew up in Colorado Springs in Colorado.

I live in the Phoenix, Arizona area now.

Completely different.

One is full of green trees and mountains, and this one's full of brown and desert and, you know, things like that.

But it is the area that I lived in.

Colorado Springs.

We had the Air Force Academy.

We had pikes.

We lived up behind Pikes Peak.

Actually, the pikes pe.

Backside of Pikes Peak was our front yard.

So, you know, it was amazing from that, from a nature perspective and understanding nature and looking at that, we'd wake up to a herd of elk in the lot next to us.

Wow.

Kind of a thing.

So we woke up to little frogs called cookies.

They make a little noise that you only find in the.

On the island.

It's.

It's very.

It's a unique sound, but you know it.

And it's something that I missed very much when I first moved out of the off the island, but now I don't really remember it.

So I need to go back and re.

Experience it because there was magic.

Yeah, yeah, magic.

And, and that it's interesting because, you know, when you look at where we come from, there were so many things I didn't visit growing up there.

Now that we're out of there, people say, hey, did you go to Sarah here?

No.

Did you go to the cliff dwellings?

No.

Did you go to Cave of the Winds?

No.

Yeah, I don't think we ever do that.

Yeah, I think it was the same when I was in New York.

Everybody, all the tourists would say, oh, did you go to the Statue of Liberty?

No.

How about at the time with the Empire Strike State Building?

No.

What do you do in New York?

Just work, work, work.

But we've all evolved from that and we've been able to create an environment for ourselves, not only to work, but to share that work with other people.

Wilk, if I can ask you, what was the moment that in essence cracked you open and set you on a spiritual path?

There were two very distinct moments.

The first one was in 2020.

Like very most other when we were going to lockdown for Covid.

I had an existential crisis, look myself in the mirror and suddenly realized that I didn't like who I was.

Very judgmental, very self entitled, angry, Very angry.

And I was about to lose everything.

I was about to lose my life, my, my, my family, my career, everything.

And so I went into therapy.

Incredibly lucky to find a therapist that turned me on to meditation right away.

And that actually deepened my questioning inst.

Why am I the way that I am?

I started questioning why was I made this way and why am I reacting this way and why are we even here in the first place?

So I started doing those deep dives and then that turned into the podcast the Skeptic Metaphysicians.

After a little while, Karen came on and joined me on that.

But then the really the big defining moment that actually helped us to launch in my mind new reality TV was as you mentioned, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer.

And there's nothing quite like when the doctor says to you that you have cancer, that to rock your world.

Just that those words alone changed everything for me.

And anyone that has heard those unfortunate words knows how difficult it is to take that, that bit of news when it's given to you.

So I spiraled for a little bit.

But through it all we had the show.

We started interviewing people, talking people about different healing modalities and we didn't really open up too much about my cancer diagnosis because we're somewhat Private to a certain extent, not so much anymore.

But after the converse, the, the interviews that we would have with these people, we would stand around for a little while and talk to him afterwards just to get known a little bit better more personally.

And inevitably my cancer diagnosis would come up and every single person to a fault.

I don't think there was anyone who we talked to that didn't actually offer to work on me.

They would say, please let me work on you.

Who am I saying?

Who am I to say no?

Right.

So of course I went, underwent all different types of healing modalities and it.

Was like I would say, besides the egg 99 remote.

Yes.

And no one ever asked for a penny.

That's amazing.

It was, it was incredible.

It was a gift of love.

And I think that was really part of the effect.

Right.

I should mention that the, this cancer diagnosis with had been confirmed by a second doctor as well.

And we had decided to do what's called active surveillance where we just watch it, let's see if it grows or what if.

How, how imminently do we have to take some corrective action?

And so it was a year between the time that was diagnosed to the time that I had my second biopsy to take a look and see where, where it was going.

And throughout the course of that year, that's when all the healing modalities were being used on me, for lack of a better word.

But when I went back for my second.

Well, first you got the mri.

Got the MRI before.

So they were going to do a targeted biopsy, which means it's do an MRI first and take that, the results of the MRI and they put it.

Over the affected area and they match up where the spots on the MRI are and that's where they biopsy.

Right.

So unfortunately, when we did the mri, it looked like there were even more trouble spots.

So it, it was a little bit, even more nerve wracking to go into the biopsy.

So I go into the biopsy and as modern medicine is want to do, they release your lab results before the doctor so you get to learn the news before they get a chance to tell you.

So when I got the results, we were actually at work and I promised myself I wouldn't open the results.

The lab results, I knew they were coming early, but I couldn't help myself.

So of course I opened it.

Couldn't understand what I was seeing.

So I took my computer to the other room where Karen was and I asked her, can you please read this?

Because I don't know that this makes sense to me.

Yeah.

His face, just this look.

It's just like this look of shock.

But I interpreted that as bad because we were expecting, you know, not great news after the MRI came out.

So I'm reading the results, and they did 18 different tests, and everyone said benign after it, every single one.

So we.

I looked at him like, the cancer's gone.

Yeah.

No, it was just incredulous for both of us.

So the doctor's office called me and said, in light of your results, we're going to cancel your follow up.

And I said, absolutely not.

You're not.

I need a doctor to look me in the eye and tell me this cancer is gone, because I don't believe this.

And so we did just that.

We went to the doctor.

Doctor looked me in the eye and said, I can't explain it.

What I can say is, you don't have to worry about this anymore.

Wow, that's amazing.

That's.

I mean, that's, like, incredibly amazing.

And the fact that you were able to do it the way you did it and then generosity of those individuals, that they come on to help you like that, I think that that just shows that we're all connected in the universe here and that they felt that you were.

Your soul was worth it.

So.

And you mentioned earlier that we were skeptics.

I'm a very.

I don't.

I've never been cynical.

I've always wanted to believe in this stuff, but I've always been more pragmatic.

And this showed me.

And even the intro to the show, I just talk about how I want to believe, and I need to have some way to prove it.

This, without a shadow of a doubt, proved it to me.

And the generosity of these people, the care with which they insisted on working on me to help me without charging me a single dime.

And it wasn't even like, if you'd like, I can do this.

It was like, please let me do this.

Let me help you.

And it's just incredible.

But if that could happen to me, we've got.

We have an obligation to get these messages out, because this is incredibly important for the world.

I agree with that, and I'm glad that this happened and that you got here.

Karen, what was it like to you to walk alongside Will during this time?

You know, my wife and my family, and not from a cancer perspective, but I was told to be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life, and I had to go through eight different operations.

And I know it was hard on my wife, and it was hard on my kids.

And it's.

I know what I mean.

I know.

I watched how it affected my wife.

I watched how it affected my kids.

So from your perspective, what was it like to walk alongside him during this time?

I think the hardest thing for me was watching him.

There was.

I kept telling him, you don't have cancer.

Like the whole time, you don't have cancer.

And I don't know if maybe intuitively I knew it was going to end up okay.

I don't know.

Or if I was in denial, like one of those two, you know, or maybe combination of both.

But remember, I was always like, you know, and even when we got the second opinion, I was.

I work in TV also, and I was producing.

I had just finished producing a series for a hospital and just interviewed this doctor who is an oncologist who does prostate cancer and operations.

They actually had flown him in to teach all the staff at this hospital how to do these operations with this robotic surgery.

So when his doctor said, we have cancer, I'm like, we're going to this guy because he will definitely let us know.

And yeah, when he said that, yeah, it just.

It was.

He confirmed the findings.

He confirmed it, but I still just didn't.

Well, it.

Maybe it was denial, but it was really hard to.

To watch him go through it.

And maybe.

I think.

I really think I knew we were going to be okay because I probably wasn't as like.

As you might have wanted me to be.

No.

Maybe so.

But I think that there's a difference between saying you don't have cancer and you're going to be okay, and you kept saying, you don't have cancer.

So I do think there's a little bit of denial on there because it would have affected our family in a very sever way had something bad happened.

Maybe I was foreseeing.

Maybe.

Maybe you were foreseeing.

I wouldn't.

I don't know.

Oh, maybe not.

It could have just been denial.

And it was hard.

It was hard because you start to rethink your life.

You know, how is this going to affect our daughter?

That was the biggest thing.

How is this going to affect her?

And we actually didn't tell her any of this until after we found out that the cancer was gone.

Because she does worry a lot.

And so that, I think, was probably my first priority, making sure that she would be okay.

Because I knew you were going to be okay.

Well, and that's your own intuition, I think, that helped shape your journey with him and your family, actually, because obviously Your intuition gave you the confidence to really understand that he didn't have cancer, which is, like, amazing because it shows a connection between the universe and you that allowed you the strength to be able to go through this with him, with that.

So, I mean, kudos to both of you.

It's a journey.

As I told you earlier in the beginning of the show, I've lost a lot of people to cancer.

So I am very grateful that we're having this conversation at the moment because you were able to step through that and not have the devastation that it causes around you and your family.

Absolutely.

We were incredibly lucky, incredibly blessed.

As we talked before the recording.

I feel unbelievably blessed, and I can't put myself in the same conversation as those people that have really suffered through diagnosis after diagnosis, surgeries, chemotherapy, these kinds of things.

I can't even.

I can't even imagine how difficult that must be.

I know how difficult it was just getting the diagnosis.

But then beyond that, it takes a special strength that I don't know that I would have had.

I think we all have that strength within ourselves, and we look upon others around us to help pull us up when we need it to push.

Not just pull us up, but push us up, hold our hand, walk beside us, pull us when we need it.

I think that we innately want to survive.

We want to.

Nobody wants to die.

You know, we all want to live.

We think we.

We all know we have more things to do on this earth.

That's one more thing before you go.

It was built upon that concept alone, is that, you know, their life can change in an instant.

And we need to value each one of those moments and value each one of those seconds so that we can continue to be a positive impact on not only ourselves, but our families and those around us, which you guys have turned into.

You took skepticism and introduced it to soul, and then something magical happened, right?

We do believe so, yeah.

It's definitely changed our lives completely.

And we've seen the effects that not only our show, but new reality TV as a whole has had on other people.

And it's like we mentioned earlier, it's our calling.

It is something that is our passion, and we're blessed to be able to do it.

And we're finding that so many people are going through this and having questions and having situations and things come up.

And so we talk about it a lot.

And, like, my little term that I use is it's a covert mainstream, because everybody's doing it, but nobody's talking about it, you know, it's like we talk to people that are doctors and lawyers and accountants and physicists and computer people that are very into what normally people would call the woo.

And they're still out there doing their jobs, but they're, they're able to incorporate this into life.

And when you do, it is such so much more rich your life is.

And I think, you know, we're talking about that if we want to live and it's.

We want to live because there's things we want to do as opposed to.

It used to be you want to live because you're afraid to die.

And I think the doors, the mental and emotional doors that have been open for us through this process have helped get rid of that fear of dying.

I'm not worried about what's going to happen when I'm not gone.

But what more can I do here before I go?

Before I go?

What one more thing could I do before I go?

There you go.

Thanks for the plug.

I love your show name.

I absolutely.

I think it's amazing when it comes.

From the heart and it comes from the soul.

You know, I, I went when I, when I was.

Part of my healing was to go back to university and Because I knew I wasn't going to be able to be a cop anymore.

And you know, at that time I thought that was my purpose and it, it allowed me to my daughter and the injuries and we never know what's going to happen.

A life changing incident for us.

And I thought that was my purpose in life.

And I got the opportunity to see that there was more to that and I went back to university.

I got a master's degree and interdisciplinary studies with a focus on digital media, performance and art, and then did a documentary called One More Thing before youe Go that combined the creative arts, drama, music, drama, art and dance.

And we got to tell people stories and get healing through those modalities.

And it opened, that was my awakening because it opened me to the possibility that we have a deeper connection with the universe, a deeper connection with our soul.

And then combining mind, body and soul allows us to have the energies that we need, you know, to live and to grow and to pass that on to everybody else and.

Well, that's why we're all here.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

How do you balance those kind of energies with your show and in life?

Because obviously I know what it takes to do this show.

You guys do this show and the reality TV show, right?

So, yeah, New Reality is actually an entire network.

So we have 40 some odd.

Different shows on there.

Right.

Growing all the time.

More and more shows are coming on board.

It's entire.

Entire channel of different types of shows.

So, yeah, it's a lot.

And I think that, in fact, one of our.

One of our shows is called Practical Alchemy, and he talks about alchemizing different things.

And one of the things he talks about is alchemizing time and how time is malleable.

That when you are doing something that's passionate, that's a passion of yours, that is important.

Somehow time seems to dilate itself to accommodate your needs.

And so when we're in service to others, suddenly we find we have all the time that we need.

And that's really what's been happening, because skeptic metaphysicians is a lot of work.

New reality TV's exponentially a lot more work.

And we still have our day jobs.

So it is.

It is a lot to juggle.

But kid in high school and a.

Kid who just started high school.

Yes, that.

That in itself, I understand those challenges.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

And having daughters, from a father's perspective, you know, it is.

You know, the difference.

The difference is the kids keep going.

Yeah.

I didn't do this.

I didn't do this.

I do this because I grew up with a.

With a sergeant is my dad, so.

Right.

You know.

Right.

Yeah.

I think I.

Maybe we might need to coordinate a conversation between you and our daughter just to make sure, but.

Nah, she's a good kid.

She's amazing kids.

Yeah.

That's a Hispanic mother.

There you go.

That's the other side of it.

So I grew up Italian.

You got the Italian and the cop, and it's kind of like, okay, yeah, I'm in trouble.

It's funny because when my.

My oldest daughter, she had her first date.

Just a quick side note, father to father, father to parents, father to both parents.

We had a conversation with the kid when he picked her up.

And, you know, and then I was still on the job, and it was funny because Caitlin said they were driving, driving down away, and Uncle John drove by in his patrol car and looked at the guy.

And then they get down.

Down about two or three more miles, and another cop was driving on the other side, and he's looking at them, and he felt that every cop out there was watching him.

And, well, he should.

That's so funny.

Brought her home, like an hour early.

Yeah.

She goes, dad, don't ever have a conversation with the boy I bring home again, please.

Oh, my gosh.

Well, there are perks to the job.

I was doomed.

So, yeah, there are, there are perks.

There are perks.

You bring a lot of guests on your show.

You'd have a.

You have some amazing conversations.

Everybody needs to go to the podcast.

Everybody needs to go to the, to, to your messages and what you bring, you share with the world our ability to connect our mind, our body and our soul and what's out there and what's available.

Just off the top of your head, what do you think?

What's one gift or conversation that truly shifted your perspective?

Because again, coming from in the beginning, a skeptic.

We're all skeptic.

I'm still skeptic about certain things.

So did you have something that really kind of stuck out that really emphasized or, or shifted your skepticism.

Well beyond, beyond the cancer thing?

That, that really did a number on me.

I don't believe I, I.

In fact, there was a point where we were going to change the name of the show because no longer skeptical, however, rebrand was so difficult, we suddenly realized that we can still have the skeptic beneficiations.

But it's no longer us who are skeptic, but rather our audience.

Those who are listening to the show are our skeptic metaphysicians that we help to wrap their minds around things.

But we still continue the, the tone of the conversations in the original skeptic because we.

That's what the audience is looking for.

So we get that.

So, so we do ask pragmatic questions.

We don't just accept things offhand as, as, as true.

So you communicate with animals.

Was there any drinking or drugs involved or how do you know for sure?

We don't.

We're not quite that blunt, but we do.

You are sometimes.

Well, sometimes.

See what, see what happens when you're around a cop.

You can't lie.

But, but I would say that the, the healing modalities really helped me to wrap my head around.

There's more to this than meets the eye.

What I've learned the most recently that I think has changed my life more than anything is the focus change where we, when we first started the show, we were talking to people about different types of modalities because we wanted to play with all the tools, all the, all the toys.

Well, one particular conversation that we had with Jonathan Robinson showed me that our tools, our toys are actually inside of us.

And it was just as simple as talking to us about his.

The most powerful mantra in the world.

And if, if, if you don't mind, I'm happy To tell you the story real quick.

You're twisting my arm.

Please.

Well, I don't.

I can't take credit for this.

This story.

This is definitely Jonathan Robinson story.

He's an amazing person, super learned, and he's interviewed just all these Mother Teresa.

Didn't he learn to meditate with the Dalai Lama?

He was friends with Ram Dass, like, so he's.

He's incredible a human being.

But when he was just in a seeking stage, his.

One of his closest friends came to him and said, oh, my gosh, Jonathan, I found.

I went to India and I found the world's most powerful mantra.

I think Jonathan's office.

Fantastic.

What is it?

I need to know what that is because.

Oh, I can't.

I can't tell you.

You have to experience it for yourself.

Jonathan's like, what do you mean?

I'm not going to go to India to find it.

Just tell me what the mantra is.

He goes, no, I can't.

You have to experience it for yourself.

So off Jonathan goes.

He does what he never thought he would do.

He travels all the way to India.

And it's a fiasco.

The amount of difficulties he had getting to India.

And then once he got to India, how to.

To get to the mountain where this guru was at was impossible.

How many took tooks he took.

And it was, it was just.

It was a journey in and of itself.

It was the most difficult thing he's ever had to do.

So he finally gets to the guru and he.

He waits in line for his time to have an audience with the guru.

And finally he's in front of the guru and then he says, master, I have been waiting for so long.

I have traveled across so many miles.

I had.

This has been such a difficult journey.

All because I must know what the world's most powerful mantra is.

And the guru looks at him and goes, oh, yes, the world's most powerful mantra.

It's a very powerful mantra.

Are you sure you're ready for it?

Yes, yes, yes, master, I'm ready for it.

Please, please tell me what, what that one is.

It's okay.

Since you asked, here it is.

The world's most powerful mantra in the world is simply thank you.

And Jonathan cannot believe what he has just heard and just completely bursts out, thank you.

That's the world's most powerful.

I traveled thousands of miles across all this stuff to get to and it's thank you.

Well, thanks for nothing.

And the guru says, no, no, thank you.

Not thanks for nothing.

Thank you.

And he walks away.

Only to find that over time, he learned how powerful that mantra actually is.

When you live your life in gratitude, it opens up everything for you, and.

You realize how much more you have to be grateful for.

He said he started right off the bat.

He's like, all right.

Drove out, you know, flew out there, spent all this money.

He's in the airport.

He's like, well, they have air conditioning.

Thank you.

And then he has to Skype with his wife to tell her about the flight.

He's like, well, I can connect with my wife across the world.

Thank you.

You know, and he, like, the more he did it, the more it just became part of who he was.

A habit, you know, and it just changed everything for him.

An expensive lesson, but a valuable lesson.

But he had to experience it for.

Himself, to really make himself do it, you know?

You know, that.

That.

I think if we all should.

Just a second, please.

Sorry.

We all should take that opportunity to say thank you.

I mean, gratitude is.

I didn't have to travel to India to understand the value of thank you.

I appreciate your story.

That's.

I made me laugh.

I had to hold the microphone away from me so you guys didn't hear me laughing.

But in going through the journeys that we've gone through and going through my journey, I learned the value of being grateful for everybody that was around me, everybody that helped me through my journey as well, and everybody that helped me to walk and had the belt around me and held the back of it to hold me up while I was learning how to balance myself again and getting me up off the.

Up out of the bed and doing the same thing every time my wife had to take me to the bathroom.

Not to be blunt, but you know what I mean?

It's for simple things, for being there, for.

For just being there, for supporting.

Sometimes words weren't.

Weren't said or didn't need to be said, but being grateful for that, kind of.

So, yeah, it's a brilliant lesson.

Amazing lesson.

And it didn't.

It didn't cost us any.

Anything.

So thank you.

No, thank you.

No.

But it was so true.

And it's so easy for us to take things for granted.

We.

We live a blessed life, and especially in this country, we are unbelievably blessed.

And.

And it's always.

It's easy to complain.

It's easy to fall into ego and say, I'm.

It's unfair.

Right?

And that word, unfair is actually unfair, because when you think about it, how many things.

When you wake up in the morning, can you Say thank you for.

Yeah, just say it's a myriad of of them.

A bed.

Exactly.

Yes, a bed.

The food, the air we breathe, the water we drink, the, the, the opportunities that arise to us.

That physicist, Stephen Hawking, you know, he is immobile.

He can barely move his eyes.

He is in this wheelchair.

His body is racked.

He cannot, he cannot move.

He.

It's such a.

Difficult for him just to breathe.

I must say, he Even a victim.

Of domestic abuse, I can't speak to.

That, but I think he was.

Well, yeah, he was nominated for an award and when he went and he.

To accept the award, he came out on stage to accept the award and they asked him, do you have any words when they gave him the award?

And he said, only thing I can say is thank you.

What more could anyone ask for?

How about the use of your legs or your arms or the ability for you to hug your wife or to be able to feed yourself or.

Right.

This gentleman, who had nothing other than a brilliant mind was saying, what else could he ask for but this, the honor of receiving this award.

That's.

That in and of itself is mind blowing to me.

And, and how much are we going around complaining about my coffee's too cold?

Yeah, it's so simple, it's profound.

Yes.

It's so simple, it's profound.

But, you know, I, as a cop, as a law enforcement officer for those many years, we see, we see people at their worst.

We see the best people at their worst.

We see, you know, the.

Well, death, dying, suicide, homicide, assaults, anger, depression, resentment, you name it.

There's a gamut that goes through that.

The world needs a lot more, a lot more opportunity to be grateful for where we're at in life and what we do have in life.

And that message that you gave, even with the simple words, both stories that you gave with thank you is an important start because no matter where you're at, you have to be grateful for something.

That you woke up, that you have a coat, that you have shoes on your feet, that you have food in your stomach.

It's so simple, it's profound.

It's just simple, profound.

Absolutely.

I know that new reality tv.

Can we talk about that a bit?

I think it's kind of a conscious media for a new era is how I think I read it described.

You're building a platform for awakening.

It's not just an app.

It's a revolution of frequency.

Right.

You're changing the frequency of how we interact.

Can you tell me a little bit about that?

That's the goal to change the frequency, to raise the vibrations.

We have currently such a toxic culture that we're living in, and everyone is feeling that, you know, feeling like a victim or feeling afraid or feeling angry.

I want to blame someone else, whatever.

It's just permeating everything.

And we need a break.

We need hope, we need love.

We need to feel that positive energy.

And so we.

We had one of the reasons.

So just a little backtracking.

We were actually going to stop the podcast skeptic metaphysicians a few years ago because, as you know, it takes a ton of work.

And I have to say, Will was doing all the work.

I kind of just show up and talk.

But there's a little more than that behind the scenes.

You were the PA Pretty much.

So.

And it was taking time away from our family time.

And so we're like, all right.

We sat down, we're like, okay, we're gonna sunset this.

And I said, well, let's.

Let's just look and see if anyone's ever even listened.

And so I kind of was doing a Google search on it, and I found this.

We didn't really know about podcasting much, and I guess it was Apple podcasts.

I don't know somewhere where there's all these reviews that we had no idea about.

And there were several pages of reviews, and I'm not trying to, like, brag or anything, but they were all five star reviews.

People had taken the time to write paragraphs about our podcast, and we're not experts on anything, we're just asking questions.

But what we found was a common thread, and especially the last one I remember reading, there's this guy, and he was talking about how, you know, he really couldn't talk to anybody about this stuff.

And, you know, he really appreciates the podcast and he ends it with, thank you for helping me feel normal.

And, you know, we looked at each other and it was just like, well, if we're helping one person, we can't stop this.

And then as it does, the universe put everything into place.

Will found some really great software that cut his editing time down to like a third of what it was and really freed up time.

So we were able to have the family time and this as well.

And we have realized through our conversations, through Will's cancer, through our experiences, that if all of this, if one podcast is helping us or one person, what.

How many people could be helped by a big mass grouping of these shows?

And so really that's why we decided to build this.

It's a place where it's a safe haven.

You're not going to find anything fear related.

You're not going to find anything political, anything that's scary or scandalous or sensationalized, divisive.

It's just a group of people that are creating this beautiful uplifting content.

Just trying to put it out there to help other people.

People.

Yeah.

So our, our thought process is.

Liken it to that story with the, the monkeys with the papayas.

I'm not sure if you heard the story, but across, across an ocean really on an island was a set of monkeys where one monkey somehow.

A set.

A set of monkeys.

Yes.

A set of monkeys.

That's the, that's the official term for there's a dozen.

It's a gaggle of monkeys.

I like how she catches you.

I don't feel alone.

We should mention that's the show.

So our show is very different.

We, we do laugh a lot on the show.

We tend to approach a topic with levity because the topic can be heavy sometimes, but we approach it with, with a smile.

And that actually makes people enjoy it more.

At least us.

It makes us enjoy more.

Exactly.

And yeah, there was a set of monkeys on one island.

One monkey one day was, was getting a papaya and it fell into the water and he picked it up.

He, he kind of noticed it was, it was like washed.

And he opened it and ate it.

And from that point forward he would go and wash his papayas every time before he went to eat it.

And other monkeys started seeing that and went, wait, he's going to let me do that too.

And they started washing their papayas.

And before long the entire set of monkeys were washing their papayas.

Well, eventually the hundredth monkey started washing their papaya.

And across the ocean on another island, unconnected, completely disconnected from the other set of monkeys, those monkeys started washing their papayas as well.

And the thought process is that critical mass of monkeys started washing their papayas and then it translated across the ocean to the other set of monkeys.

And so that is what we are trying to do is bring enough of that light into the world where we will finally hit that critical mass that we need to get this nonsense out of the ether that we're dealing with right now.

You go on YouTube and you never know what you're going to be served.

There's so much fear based content on there that when I go on there, I never know if I'm going to be triggered because I'm watching something that I like.

And also the next video is just something that's designed to make me respond with fear.

We don't really resonate with that.

So new reality TV is meant to help change that conversation in a very distinct way.

And that's why we built it.

And I think it's an amazing opportunity.

I love the word opportunity, so you might hear me say it quite a bit, because I believe everything in life is an opportunity we can choose.

And that choice is to either move forward or stay where we're at or regress in.

Moving forward is the key to everything.

And if you provide a platform and the opportunity in an outlet where somebody can move forward in life in a positive way.

There's too much chaos in the world.

I mean, there's chaos everywhere, and not just local.

It's all over the world.

It is that we need an outlet that allows for us to be able to get away and get understanding and not necessarily escape, but have a better understanding and a better calmness and a better opportunity for us to be able to kind of connect with Mother Nature, connect with the universe, connect the way we need to.

How is it, if I can ask, how is it different?

Because it sounds to me a little like Gaia.

We had Gaia for a while, and we were pretty active on it for a little while.

How's that different for something like Gaia or mainstream streaming?

It's funny you mentioned that, because we actually use that model as a.

As a way to explain what the.

What the network is like.

Gaia is a phenomenal platform.

However, I was a subscriber for a long time as well.

However, Gaia does have.

Has fallen.

It seems to have fallen.

I don't want to speak for them, but they seem to have fallen into the fear trap.

There's a lot of content on there that I.

We don't really resonate with, with alien invasion or alien abductions and demonic possessions and things like that, which.

It speaks to some people, but it seems like it's designed to get people drawn in.

And that's.

And that's.

And that's not.

That's not who we are.

We.

We really want to make that distinction.

Secondly, Gaia has wonderful teachers on there.

Joe Dispenza, Greg Braden, Bruce Lipton, all these wonderful teachers that are so important to helping us awaken.

However, we felt that rather than have Star Power leading the way, we prefer to be more about regular people going through spiritual awakenings, helping other regular people going through spiritual awakenings.

Things changed so much, especially with COVID and people became very isolated.

And so when you get into that feeling of loneliness and isolation.

What you really crave, whether you want to admit it or not, is connection.

And it's so much easier to connect with someone who is like you, you know, someone who's sitting in his living room talking about this stuff than it is to connect with someone who is, you know, on a yacht and whatever, which, I mean, we have some beautifully produced content as well, don't get us wrong.

But we've got the whole spectrum.

You know, we want to provide options for everyone.

And you know, I think that people coming to new reality tv, if they're stuck in that, that fear and that, that sense of chaos, grasp we're giving them options or opportunities of other ways to think and look at things.

And if they choose one of those options or many of them or whatever, it will help them feel better and learn that there are different, different ways out there.

Yeah, and like she mentioned, there are, there's a gamut of types of content.

Right.

We have movies, we have documentaries, we have TV shows, we have shorts, we have all kinds of things.

But the most important thing is that we meet you at whatever level you are, are.

We have some that are very beginner shows that are very much like this one where it's just having conversations across two box.

Then we have really fully produced documentaries about lucid dreaming, for example, that really uses drones and all kinds of stuff.

So it's really, it's what you prefer.

It's all under one roof.

And even with that, within that, we have variety of teachers, like if you are wanting to learn about meditation, we have the people with a very relaxing voice that'll get you down there.

But we have a woman who is the most spitfire.

She's like literally a rock star would never think she is a meditation teacher because she's like, you sit down, you meditate, people love her.

So there's different types and different styles, even within the same modalities.

And we're trying to provide as many different points of view for everyone.

Yeah, it's, it's a whole one truth, many paths mentality that we really fully adhere to.

We believe that our realities are created by us.

And my reality is not going to be the same as hers, it's not gonna be the same as yours.

And so how, how can we possibly think that one modality or one path is actually going to be a cookie cutter path for everybody?

So by design, and I'm glad you mentioned the fact that it's a global problem, the chaos that we're experiencing, new reality TV is a global solution.

We have shows, content partners from Thailand, from Ireland, from Scotland, from Canada, from the U.S. from everywhere, Australia, all over the world.

Because this is not an American problem.

This is not an American solution.

This is a global solution.

And only by all of us coming together are we going to be able to help the world ascend to where we need to go.

I agree with that and I appreciate that because you, again, you open it up to have an audience.

You provide an outlet for audiences to engage with your content.

And I think that in itself is an opportunity.

I like what you said.

You have documentaries, docu series, you, you have energy activations, you have quantum healing and, and meditations and things like this.

And I think we all, Although I don't know if I could meditate to like Van Halen rock.

Well, thankfully she doesn't use Van Halen.

Rock, but that's good.

She uses a sonic yogi, which is actually really cool.

Singing bowls and things like that.

But, but before she gets you down to meditation, she's gonna be, you're gonna be entertained because she's such a spitfire.

And then, okay, now it's time to meditate.

Meditate.

It just gets to show you, like, if she can meditate, anybody, I can meditate.

Anybody can meditate.

And meditation, just for the record, and I say this over and over on this channel, meditation is an amazing.

Once you, you experience it, once you learn it, once you master it, you know, you can start with a minute and then build the two minutes and build, build from there and it allows you.

I went through all my operations.

I used meditation to help me.

Instead of Vicodin and the codeine that they were offering me, I used meditation, acupuncture.

My wife brought me juices every day to the hospital and things like this.

So meditation played an interesting perspective with regard to my healing personally.

And she actually talks about the fact that just start with three minutes and then stay at three minutes for a long time and then just slowly inch your way up, up.

I.

For a while.

I, I couldn't do more than 10.

I'm, I'm too, I'm too active.

I, I need, I can't sit for more than 10 minutes now.

If I do 30 minutes, that's short for me because I'm loving the feeling of being in that void.

Always great, isn't it?

And Karen, you have to go in and wake him up.

Hey, hey, hey.

You've been down too long.

Yeah, yeah, we need to wrote this up.

What role do you think conscious media plays in the collective awakening that we're kind of seeing right now.

I think that, you know, in the conversations that I've had, I've had more and more conversations like what we're having here and an awakening across the, across the board.

Do you think it's, do you think it is the chaos or do you think that people are trying to reach out to kind of heal that chaos?

I want to think it's the latter, but sadly I believe it's the former.

I think that it is now.

I think, I think things are starting to shift in a different direction.

Unfortunately.

Every, and I wish I the one interview, I don't have my phones with me.

But what, what is it that we're always on, right?

No matter who you are across the day, we're always consuming media.

On our phones, on our tablets and our computers and our TVs, wherever we are, we're consuming media.

When you look at the shift in media over the past 10 years, we talked about YouTube using fear based content being served out as a way for them to grab you right to, to get you down that rabbit hole.

Fear sells, anger sells, violence sells these things.

Media caught on to.

And I could say that because I've worked in media my entire career, starting with the news, when news started shifting to where we are now, that's when I thought, okay, it's time for me to go because it wasn't comfortable for me.

But now the media, I refuse to watch the news anymore because all it does is serve you what they think you want because it draws you in.

What do you mean there's a conflict?

What do you mean there's this.

So I, I don't, I won't watch the news anymore.

I will get my news from a, from an app or something that I, I, I might read the headlines or something like that.

But, but it's difficult for me to watch the news.

So go to social media and, and the landscape get, gets even murkier.

The, the algorithms that they, that they have, they serve, they really serve you.

Stuff that's going to ex.

Absolutely.

So I think we have an obligation as being in the media ourselves, we have an obligation to utilize the tool that is causing these problems to drive a solution.

And that's really what new reality TV is for us.

It is a way for us to combat that, to use media in a conscious way so that we can then utilize the power, power of that constant consumption to help instead of to hurt.

You know, I love, you know when I say this, obviously it's a double Edged sword.

I love my iPhone because it allows me instant connection whenever we need.

It's the messaging with my kids, with my family, my wife, my sister, my brother in law, you know, anybody along that line also have instant connection to the news.

Like you said, instead of you get news briefs kind of constant flashing news briefs.

I had to turn them off.

And we don't watch the news anymore either because it became such a fear mongering.

Everybody wants to who's got the bigger headline enough to get you to stick to the channel.

And then you go to bed at night and you can't sleep because there's so much bouncing around in your head about what you just saw.

Based on that, how's New Reality TV creating a hub for seekers, mystics and conscious creators to help us kind of step out of that mode within ourselves and to connect the way that we want them to connect?

Well, we have a very careful vetting system.

We meet and have long conversations with every person that's producing content.

So we just don't take stuff and put it out there.

And there are four things and we kind of hit on them that we specifically require.

And that is that there isn't anything that is fear based.

And we understand that that in healings things can get ugly.

And that's fine.

If that stuff is out there in the process of showing or teaching about healing, that's different than just showing demonic possessions to see how scary it is.

Everyone has to go through shadow work.

It's part of the process.

So we want everything has to be positive and uplifting to content.

No politics at all whatsoever at all.

It's a safe zone for politics.

And we do have a lot of different modalities.

We have a Norse shaman, we have someone who records plant music.

We have channelers, all kinds.

So even if something doesn't resonate with you, even if you don't necessarily believe that that's a possibility.

One of the requirements is that our content partners never disparage any other modality.

Because though it might not be your truth, it certainly is to someone else.

And if the goal from everybody is to heal and to help raise the vibrations, then it's not bad content.

One thing also that I like about New Reality that is different than a lot of the networks is our content partners, the people that create these wonderful shows.

And we call them partners because we're all in this together.

They're accessible.

You know, they, they all put their information on there.

This is my email, this is my contact if you want to talk to me.

Give me a, you know, shoot me a message.

And I love that because when can you watch a show and see someone and go, oh, wow, that's really cool, I'm going to reach out to them and, and they respond.

Right.

So that's, that's another thing that I think makes us a little bit different.

Yeah, it's a really cool community.

If for content creators, they come in and they, they find a community that is very welcoming and that is very nurturing.

We've had the, we have a, a content partner that lives in Thailand, another one that lives in Alaska.

And to show you the, the, the connections that we make through this community, the Thai Buddhist shaman flew across the country to go to Alaska to try to do a show with our Norse shaman in Alaska.

So two completely different modalities who are collaborating together because they met like different.

Ages, one's very young ones much older, just very different.

Yes.

And so it is, it is a, it is a nurturing community.

It is a place where, whether you're here to watch the content.

Content or to provide the content, it.

Is a safe place and it's very genuine.

We, a couple of months ago decided to do a summit because we're just, it's a fairly new business or I guess, platform, and we wanted to do something to try to put a little bit of money in the back of the pockets of these content partners that were doing all of this wonderful work for us.

So someone said, well, let's do a summit.

We thought, great, we'll do the summit for the weekend.

We can, you know, have a, just not a really big fee, but a fee for people to come and participate and then that way we can get some money back to that.

Well, they all were kind of like, well, hem.

And ha.

And then finally one person said, what if we just do it for free?

And they were all like, yeah, yeah, let's just do it for free.

Which was amazing.

So that showed us they're not in it for the money.

Yeah.

They're in it because they want to help people.

And we had 16 hours worth of lectures or presentations, group healings, meditations, totally free.

Yeah.

Past life regressions.

And I think that's the biggest difference between new reality TV and the other networks.

It's not about the money for us.

For us, it's about getting these messages out.

Of course, we have bandwidth issues, we have storage issues, we have costs associated with it that we have to cover, but we want to be.

Karen dropped the word business on, in the, in the conversation.

And I kind of shuddered a little bit because we, we want it to be a new type of business.

We want it to be a conscious business where it's not about how much money can we make, it's more about how much can we help.

And if we are of in service, then the universe won't help but to provide us with what we need to carry the network across.

And so everyone, all of our content partners would love to do this for a living.

We would love to do this full time for a living is what our calling is.

So we, we, we feel that doing this in service will do that.

But you shouldn't shudder at the term business because part of our goal is to change the way businesses run.

Yes.

So we have to be able to attach that to what we're doing so people can see that model and go.

Oh, you're, you're absolutely right.

This is a conscious business, a different way.

This is the way of the future.

This is the way businesses should, should work.

Rather than how much money could I possibly make?

How much good can we do in the world?

And the universe will give us what we need to meet that force.

The universe provides.

The universe provides what it's supposed to and what we need and how we need it.

And I think that once we start experiencing that, it's a better understanding of how that comes to us.

And I think you have the right mindset for that.

What's next?

What's next for the movement?

What's next for all of, all of this Global domination.

You forgot the pinky finger.

Finger.

Next.

Yeah.

Oh, that's right.

Right.

I'm not sure.

Brain.

So what's next?

The.

The network is brand new.

We just launched in January.

We are going to be doing retreats, we're going to be doing workshops and classes.

We want to be more than just a media channel.

We want to be a, a place for everyone to learn and to grow together.

And I mean, I'll be like a.

Tool for your life.

Yeah.

Very honest.

We created the network because I'm selfish, because I want this.

I want it for me.

And so if, if no one was doing it, I have to do it because I need it.

That's a lot of work.

You shouldn't have to do it alone.

Right.

So.

And that's why when Karen said we, we call them counter content partners because we are all in it together.

So together we'll build something that will be super special special, including retreats and workshops and classes and a place for people to go and grow and learn together.

Because we're learning just as much as the content partners in the audience is as well.

That I think is a very valuable opportunity.

You know, that's one thing I'm grateful for in my podcast because over the last six years I've been able to learn, you know, along the way as myself and it's allowed me to grow and learn from each conversation that I've had and move forward.

And you know, I've worked through so many things, including my own pt, ptsd, selfishly, if you want to, we talk about a little selfish through these kind of conversations and so forth.

So, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm willing to, and I'm, I'm happy that you guys are here.

And where can we find you and how can we this audience and how can we help you support you?

Well, the very, very easiest place to go is@skepticmetaphysician.com there you can subscribe to the show.

There you can watch or listen to the show.

There you can leave us voicemails.

We love, love to hear from people.

We play the voicemails on the air sometimes you can contact us via email if you prefer not to have us hear your voice.

But there's a newsletter that you can sign up for and a lot of the people that we interview will offer discounts to our listeners on their services.

So you'll find that information in the newsletter.

Yep.

And then there's even a link to new reality tv.

So it's easy.

But if you just want to access new reality TV, you just go to newrealitytv.com simple as that.

And if you don't know really what you want to watch beyond the streaming platform, we do have a 24.7international broadcast, so there's always something playing.

So you can kind of check it out and go from there.

Yep.

And then if you fall in love with the show, you can then go into the on demand side of it and consume the rest of the episodes if you so are so inclined.

But skepticmetaphysician.com that's probably the best place to start.

Start.

And I'll make sure that there's links so that it'll make it easy for everybody just to click the link and follow you to get where they need to go.

We could talk for another hour, two hours.

Easily.

Easily.

But as always, at the end of every journey, there's a truth to be waiting to be spoken.

And can I ask, what's one truth you've each discovered on this journey that you Wish everyone knew.

The powers inside each one of us.

It's.

There's no need to look outside of us for the answers.

It's all inside.

All you need to do is go within and you can find your answer.

It is all hidden right here as long as you're able to let go.

Growth is at the edge of our comfort zones.

And when we're uncomfortable, that's when we're growing.

And so it's difficult sometimes to look inside and find things that you maybe aren't happy with.

Those are the things we need to find in order to grow.

Brilliant.

I would say that that power that he's talking about is love.

Because love has so many different forms.

It's not just your mother, daughter.

It's not just a couple.

It's so many different forms, and it is so easy to spread.

Just a little kindness to someone, just a random compliment to someone who, you know, did their nails fancy that day, that that's all it takes to change someone's day.

And if everyone does that just a little bit, we'll get just this massive wave and the world will be a better place.

That's brilliant.

In fact, I just had a conversation this morning that we expressed that, so.

See how the universe kind of carried that over to this conversation?

That's pretty darn cool.

Yep.

Yeah.

That's funny how that works.

It is.

This is one more thing before you go.

So before we go, words of wisdom.

If you.

You could leave one message for future generations of seekers, what would it be?

Oh, pay attention to the unexpected.

I like that one.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

See?

Some good clues.

Yeah.

For me, as a former skeptic, I would say along the same lines, allow yourself to open to the possibilities.

Because we go through life always assuming.

Yeah.

That can't happen.

But if you allow yourself just that one little step, allow yourself to believe that it could be possible, suddenly anything and everything is possible.

Brilliant.

All of it's brilliant words of wisdom.

So thank you, guys.

Thank you very much for coming on the show.

Thank you for connecting.

I know it took us a little bit to get here, but we are here and I value everything that you just shared with us.

So I appreciate your journey.

I appreciate your wisdom.

Well, we're very grateful that you were patient with us and we're very grateful to be on your show altogether.

So thank you for providing the platform.

Absolutely.

And I'll make sure that everything's in the show.

Notes to make sure it's easy for somebody to connect by clicking the link.

Just a reminder for everyone else out there.

Thank you.

Will and Karen, thank you very much again for joining me.

I really appreciate you connecting with what you're giving back to the world in such positive ways.

That's a wrap for today's episode.

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